Dog park, new Town Hall roof OK'd for Community Preservation Act applications

By Matthew Bernat | Jun 20, 2017

Two projects on Tuesday night received the green light from Selectmen to apply for Community Preservation Act funds – an off leash dog park and a new roof for the Town Hall auditorium.

Dog park proponents, which include members of the Dog Park Study Committee and the Dog Park Affiliation of Wareham, will apply for $20,000 in funds to construct a park on Maple Springs Road, near the Route 25 overpass.

Each year, the Community Preservation Committee allocates money to projects through the Community Preservation Act in four categories: open space, historic preservation, affordable housing and recreation. The money is raised through a surcharge on property tax bills. The state then matches a percentage of the town-raised funds. Community Preservation Act funds must be approved at Town Meeting.

The dog park is being spearheaded by members of the Dog Park Affiliation of Wareham who started the effort in 2015.

Initially, the group hoped to open a park at Minot Forest with $100,000 in Community Preservation Act funds. At a previous Town Meeting, the group withdrew its request after issues regarding safety, liability and maintenance were raised.

On Tuesday, Dog Park Study Committee Chair Trenton Blanchard said with the new location several problem areas had been addressed, including liability insurance. Blanchard said the Dog Park Affiliation of Wareham has agreed to take additional insurance for the park, limiting the town’s liability.

Selectmen had questions for Blanchard related to security, what breeds will be allowed and cleanliness.

“Who will clean up the poop?” Selectman Judith Whiteside wanted to know.

Blanchard said the park will have a “carry in, carry out” policy with dog owners expected to clean up after themselves. As for security, the park will be entirely fenced in, he said, adding the location isn’t near homes, which would limit noise complaints.

Selectmen Chair Peter Teitelbaum noted that state law prohibits cities and towns from passing laws that prevent certain breeds of dogs, such as pit bulls or German shepherds, from public places. However, individual dogs causing problems can be banned from the park, he said.

Blanchard said the Community Preservation Act funds would be a small portion of the park’s proposed $200,000 price tag. He said with the approval, the committee now plans to apply for a grant from the Stanton Foundation that would provide 90 percent of the rest of the cost if awarded. The foundation has given large grants to other towns on Cape Cod and the South Coast for dog parks.

Selectmen applauded the efforts of the groups for continuing the difficult effort to bring a dog park to town.

The second application, a $120,000 request to replace the leaking roof over the Town Hall auditorium, was unanimously approved with minimal discussion.

Comments (63)
Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 20, 2017 23:00

Wait.. What ?!?!

Did I misread, or do they really think it will take $200,000 to build a dog park ? If so please hire me and a few of my friends. I'm sure I could pad the invoice out enough to line all our pockets.

Holy #2.. Please tell me I'm wrong.

 



Posted by: Wareham By The Sea | Jun 20, 2017 23:52

Will there be an attendant?  No, there isn't.  So who's going to enforce the carry in, carry out policy? Nobody is.  Many dog owners think their precious babies crap out ice cream so they're not picking it up unless they have to.  They'll look around and if nobody saw they won't pick up a thing.

 

Same with the bad dogs.  Who's going to monitor and enforce that? What's the policy with that?  Call the police or Animal Control whenever there's an issue?  By the time they get there it's too late.  Once again, many dog owners think their precious babies are perfect and will not take responsibility if their dog acts poorly towards another.

 

 



Posted by: Newlyaresident | Jun 21, 2017 07:10

$200,000 for a dog park is ridiculous! The dog park guys must the Onset Fire Station architect on tpretainer!



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 21, 2017 07:26

Well the 200k mark most likely derived from the fact that Stanton Foundation has been known to give up to $225,000.. So why not be greedy and ask for all we can ask for.

Stanton also does K9 health programs and helps purchase police dogs as well as nuclear security. It's pretty Warehamy to ask for such a huge handout when there are for better resources that Stanton could be focused on.

It's not a dog park, it's a greedy park. Asking Stanton for $50,000 on top of the 20 you smoozed out of the town would work...

 



Posted by: shop247 | Jun 21, 2017 08:16

It seems like the CPS funds get misused again, bump outs anyone?  No, I won't get over it, I still don't drive down Main Street.  Is the town going to be on the hook for maintenance?  Mowing?  Cleaning?  Insurance?  Who's going to pick up the needles and drug paraphernalia, pick up the tvs and mattresses that get dumped?  Will there be security cameras?  Don't know which is worse, this idea or spreading out little specs of 40B all around town.

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 21, 2017 09:03

Why cant we just take a deep breath and stop for a moment to set our REAL PRIORITIES ? Dog-Park; REALLY! For gods-sake, think about what you are doing! We have a few homeless children in Wareham who could use a little assistance ! We have a few Veterans in WAREHAM who are down on thier luck, we have some leaky roofs on municipal Facilities which are in need of repair, we have a few poor souls who are addicted to Opiates,  Alcohol,  or other drugs, who could use a little help,. The list of REAL ISSUES is endless. Wareham cannot even afford to Purchase, Place, and Maintain a Public Trashcan at the Beach so instead we are considering the expenditure of hundreds of thousands of dollars for a Dog-Park; COME ON PEOPLE, take that money and FEED a Poor or Homeless Child, Veteran, or Senior Citizen who would truly benefit from a dollar well-spent in our community! If animals are truly your cause in life, donate your money and/or time to the Town Animal Control Officer or a Regional Animal Rescue Agency. They could certainly use the money and there are never too many  community volenteers. WAKE-UP and take a smell of Reality instead of the smell of Dog-Pooh!



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 21, 2017 09:06

Obviouslly, I meant to say volunteers in my post above.



Posted by: Rosebud | Jun 21, 2017 10:19

I have nothing against dogs, but a couple of years ago the playground at Swift's Beach was supposed to get repairs done and a few upgrades.  What happened to the community funds for that?  Are those same funds going to the dogs?



Posted by: Peaches0409 | Jun 21, 2017 10:38

Come on people, lighten up! People who take their dogs to dog parks are invested in their pets and don't allow them to poop without cleaning up after them. They are asking for 20K, not 200K.

It's a safe place for dogs to play, it's in an area that people won't be disturbed by the barking. What is the problem?



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 21, 2017 10:48

You think all people pick up after their dogs... Really ???

They are asking for 20K from community preservation and yet another 200K from the Stanton group. I'm no abacus, but 20,000 plus 200,000 equals 220,000.

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 21, 2017 11:10

Cranky:  you are Soooo Right! $20, ooo here, $200,00 there, whats the big deal ?? Oh , I lost my head for a second! Thats right, $220,000 could probably make 500,000 PB & J Sandwiches for some poor children. But I guess its more important to some people that animals have a pivate place to play instead of homeless children having a safe shelter and a bed  to sleep on !



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 21, 2017 11:16

Cranky:  you are Soooo Right! $20, ooo here, $200,00 there, whats the big deal ?? Oh , I lost my head for a second! Thats right, $220,000 could probably make 500,000 PB & J Sandwiches for some poor children. But I guess its more important to some people that animals have a pivate place to play instead of homeless children having a safe shelter and a bed  to sleep on !



Posted by: Peaches0409 | Jun 21, 2017 11:43

Your comparing this to homeless children is just stupid. The money they are asking for from the Stanton Group is used for this type of work. Good for them for doing their research and getting the majority of the money from a grant program.

How many hours have you two given to help feed the homeless? Just wondering??



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 21, 2017 11:57

The money Stanton group gives is to help many projects.. But asking for 200K is just slightly greedy if you think about it.

That's 200k that won't be spent buying police dogs, training the handlers or even researching nuclear safety.

Then again, this is Wareham so let's just stand there with our hands open waiting on the next person to shine and assume our responsibilities.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 21, 2017 15:12

phredzzz if you want to make sandwiches for children get some of your friends form a group, look for grants or foundations that would give you funds and figure out a way to dispense the sandwiches to children in need.

these people spent over a year applying and getting rejected finding out what they needed to change to get these grants to make this dog park happen. Town meeting still has to approve the funds. They also have a group of volunteers set up to take care of the park.

Don't be critical of a group who got their project off the ground  because you want something else done if you want something done get going and get organized



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 21, 2017 18:11

Sadie. Thanks for setting me straight. I guess you told me, now didn't you! Thanks also for letting all of know how your priority is to walk a Dog rather than help a needy Child or Adult. Wonderful to know that you have Zero compassion for your fellow Man, Women, or Child. And also, take a look at these so-called lists of Volunteers to maintain the Doggie-Park. Historical Data has shown all across America the enthusiasm level drops off quickly after about 6 months. Several communities have closed these Parks due to a lack of Interest and volunteer participation. One Park in RI lasted less than six weeks before the Trash and Dog Poo was such a Mess the Organizers were trying to recruit Municipal employees while on-the-clock to help clean up the Mess. The Mayor found out and shut them down. So take head and pay attention to these details. The first time the weather turns Nasty, the Volunteers tend to disappear!



Posted by: Chaka | Jun 21, 2017 21:52

Time to acknowledge an ugly truth about poor children. Most of their parents should have never HAD them in the first place. Or they should have been given up for adoption. If you choose to have a child, it's your job to feed him or her, three times a day. If you can't perform this most basic task, then maybe having a child Is a bad idea for you. I wish this town had an abortion clinic. It would save a lot of heartache. Everyone gets so upset about abortion, but I think neglected unwanted poorly taken care of children is a much larger sin.

On the other side of the coin, Those dogs were chosen to be members of the family and there is nothing wrong with spending a small amount on recreation for them and their owners.

Why does everything in wareham have to be "for the poor and drug-addicted?" Why can't hard working people who can take care of themselves and their families and pets and handle their shit get some benefits too?



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 22, 2017 06:27

PHREDZZZ, Sadie did put you in your place and she is 100% correct. Between you and Cranky Pants why don't you form that committee, do your due diligence and open a place that will feed these children you seem to care so much about. Oh wait, you two do nothing but trash others for doing things properly and actually f2f getting their project off the ground. Quit complaining about a group of people who love their pets and want somewhere safe to take them to play rather than walk down roads with no sidewalks and idiot drivers speeding and playing chicken with someone walking their dog.

Rosebud has a very good point based on fact not your obvious hatred for dogs and their owners. What's wrong, did your mommies not let you have pets when you were children so now your uber liberal self says "if I can't have neither can anyone else".

I am a dog owner if you did get that from my position but I'm a responsible dog owner who picks up after their pet and I pay taxes in this town just like you a warehamy Cranky Pants do, I assume. We don't have children but I don't begrudge the school system getting things from the town budget. Perfect example is the new snack shack. What did they get, $50,000 or something in that area, to build a damn shed. Not only that but doesn't that shack generate revenue? Let them use the proceeds of their sales to get the new shed.

I'm going off



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 22, 2017 06:33

Track but trying to help you two, that seem to just complain all the damn time. Don't you have anything better to do like go feed those starving children. No, you will never actually take action, you'll just sit behind your keyboard and complain about the people who get out from behind their computer and get something done, like it or not?

Cranky Pants shoulkd also be banned from using that completely idiotic word, WAREHAMY... seriously, it's a very negative way to stereotype an entire town based off the minority of people in this town.r



Posted by: sadie | Jun 22, 2017 06:56

Just because I support the efforts of the people who are building the dog park doesn't mean I am against children and adults who are in some way disadvantaged. I can actually like and support two things at the same time.

My point was don't complain about one groups efforts because you think they should be doing something else. This is a group of volunteers that decided they wanted this done. If you want something done form your own group to achieve your goal. Who knows if you were a little nicer maybe some of the volunteers from the dog park would want to help you with your project.

 



Posted by: gottahaveit | Jun 22, 2017 07:24

@WWAREHAM REDIDENT, thank you for your voice.  We need more like you.  All people do on here is complain and judge.  Let's get these people out from behind their four walls and see what they have to say.  IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WAREHAM LEAVE.  IT IS THE HOME OF MANY NOT THE RICH AND FAMOUS. THIS IS NOT BEVERLY HILLS.  IF YOU CANNOT SUPPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE YOUR BETTER THEN THEM, LEAVE...



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 22, 2017 07:27

If you people read more than you scan you'd see that I NEVER said anything about children or homeless..

Get your facts straight and do some diligent reading and  comprehension before you start throwing garbage posts up in public forum. Now you're acting Warehamy too.

All I said was $220,000 for a dog park is absurd, and that the Stanton group has other important things they do with the resources they share.

Keep calm and read on.



Posted by: baron1701@yahoo.com | Jun 22, 2017 08:34

I must be missing something - $220k for a dog park? How many acres is this thing? I guess the 20k from Conservation funds isnt the problem, its the idea of the project itself. A dog park? I would rather see a new playground. anything. Cranky is right on, where can I sign up to help build this thing? I could use some prevailing wage.



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 22, 2017 08:44

Ding ding ding ding, we have a winner !!!

Baron, please step up and claim your prize !



Posted by: Beachbum0715 | Jun 22, 2017 08:49

you all are absolutely ridiculous. all this negativity and i am willing to bet all of you nay sayers that you DO NOT EVER attend these PUBLIC committee meetings and have little to no involvement in the town except behind the comfort a computer screen typing negative comments away. if you do not like this stuff then get off your a$$ and get involved, attend public meeting go before the board of selectmen and lets see any of you put forth the over 3 year effort that this dog park group has been going at it.

you dont like the way that CPC money is being use that is just sitting in account collecting interest and dust then get motivated and get involved in YOUR community. Just because these committees and groups are active and find ways to use money that we are all paying into via our taxes doesn't give any of you the right o knock them down. change will not happen if you do not get involved in your communicate beyond the key board. check the town website see when PUBLIC committee meetings are being held and get active



Posted by: Beachbum0715 | Jun 22, 2017 08:57

Baron and cranky, you two need to get your factos organized. wareham has over 20 public play grounds and parks and cannot maintain them and if you ever attended any public committee meetings you would know that wareham is trying very hard to consolidate parks as they cannot maintain them so yeah sure add another park so it becomes  a hazard for committee children. and the stanton foundation has this particualr grant program for dog park only, its not taking away from anything else, so next time do you homework and come to a meeting with your negative comments and im sure our involved citizens that have been working TIRELESSLY on any given project will gladly put you both in your respective places



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 22, 2017 11:19

GOTTAHAVEIT, I wish I had more time to look at these things but i've got to work to pay my taxes and mortgage here in west wareham, which we actually love this area.

Cranky, I am sorry you never mentioned anything about the children, that was PHREDZZ but if that is all you got out of my comment you are even more "eyes closed" than I thought. I say this again, THESE PEOPLE WENT OUT AND GOT SOMETHING DONE, whether you like it or not. I personally would like to have a dog park in town but I can understand someone thinking it will be a mess and it might turn out to be just that. The problem is it won't be the dog owners who trash it or leave it filthy that would be the bad element in this town who you like to speak of in your special word. Anytime I've come on this board it is you commenting negative about just about every story, my God do you get up on the wrong side of the bed EVERY morning?

This group went about requesting the Stanton Funds in the proper way and it looks like you don't like that their request was granted, well deal with it and stop with the would have, could have, should have until you actually get off your butt and go out and do something

 



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 22, 2017 12:49

Again, you're attacking me when I had nothing to say to you. I am a dog owner, I've adopted three dogs of my own and I've worked with two major rescue leagues to help find forever homes for many other dogs. What have you done for K9 welfare ?

I'd actually like to see a dog park in our town.. I just don't think I'd get more use from a $220,000 dollar dog park than I would a park that cost $60,000.. I'm just being realistic.

I'm not bashing the idea or efforts, I'm thumbing my nose at the total cost. If you're so inclined to find out what my stance is maybe you should ask me directly instead of lumping assumptions.

Do we need to continue ? If so, please send this whole dog park committee to me and I'll give them the keys to the back gate on my property and they can all feel free to socialize back there.

I'm glad you're enjoying West Wareham, it's a nice area. I lived there for five years but just couldn't get used to the ash on my vehicles and the smell generated from the old Covanta Semass plant. It wasn't constant, but it happened enough, So I purchased a home in Onset.



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 22, 2017 16:18

Sadie, W Wareham, & Others who probably misunderstood the POINT I was trying to make! Its not that I am anti-Animal. I was born on a Farm and have been around, and also owned Animals for my entire. I currently own a couple Rescue Animals and support the Local and regional Animal Rescue Organizations both with Money from my Pocket and Pet Food that I regularly Drop-Off to Aide those which have been abandoned by the many individuals who also CLAIMED that they LOVE Animals !!!! With that said, I can only say that My point which I value Human Lives above Animals was not very well presented by myself. I was trying my best to Plant some Humanitarian SEEDS and garner a little support for those; especially the INNOCENT Children who may need our Help! You have stated your Case and I respect your opinion. I however DO-NOT, and WILL NEVER, support a Cause where Animals are placed ahead of Homeless CHILDREN who never asked for, and/or caused the situation which they are caught-up within a heartless society!

Sorry that your Lobbying for a Special Place for Dogs to Walk and Pooh does not raise to that Level within my Mind or Soul! However, just to make a Point, you have now created a new Racist Category where my Cat feels discriminated against because She is Not going to have her own Special Place to Walk and Pooh. My neighbors have a Pet Vietnamese Pig and they say their Pig also feels like a Target of your Discrimination. Whos Next ??? Boa Constrictors, Pet Horses who are stuck in small Pens and/or Corrals, Pet Ferrets, Hamster's, Free-Range Wanna-be Chickens, and The List can Go On and On forever. Our Laws say you cannot Single-out and Exclude individuals based on Race. By supporting a Special Cause where you are Excluding other Races of Animals, you are potentially Breaking the Law !  If you change the Signage on the Dog-Park to Signs which say ANIMAL-PARK, you can probably beat any potential Lawsuits filed on behalf of those disenfranchised Animals!          Hee, He, Hee AoooooGa !!!!



Posted by: sadie | Jun 22, 2017 16:21

Cranky  Peter Teitelbaum represents the selectmen on that committee maybe you could email him and find out what they are spending the money on. I know they need fencing and maybe they have to level off the land that all I can think of. I'm not sure how big this park is going to be. 



Posted by: WantToSeeChange | Jun 22, 2017 17:10

Phredzzz,

 

Which Words can be Capitalized and which Cannot?  Aside from that, I cannot even read your posts from beginning to end.  Build a thought, write it down.  You are all over the place now.  Kids, Pigs, Snakes.  Good Lord!

 

Sit back, relax and let the dogs have a park.  The kids get the beaches in town and several playgrounds.  Can't even let my water loving pooch enjoy a beach despite Wareham having 54 or so miles of coastline.  He might poop on it.  Then again on any given day in the summer, I am sure to find a dirty diaper on that same beach.



Posted by: cranky pants | Jun 22, 2017 17:48

I know the requested amount is $80,000 less than originally thought to be requested from CPC. I understand that the rest of the funds would hopefully come from an outside source. Kudos to the dog committee members for finding that outlet !

I was only wondering why the amount speculated became double. Is the land town owned ? Is there a land acquisition fee ?

 

Taken from this very website last March.

Since the engineered plan for the park is still underway, Litchfield does not have exact figures for the total cost of the park and said she does not wish to speculate on the cost. The $100,000 figure is based on the assumption that creation of a park would not cost more than $100,000. As with other Community Preservation fund projects, unused money would be returned to the general Community Preservation fund for use on other projects. "


I understand the town can't have volunteers out there cutting down trees and operating heavy equipment to help build the park due to liability reasons, but doubling the cost of your adventure in one year is what throws a flag.

I'll be 100% honest, I'm certainly clueless to the costs of building a project like this, and at the end of the day it's not a second mortgage coming out of pocket so really there isn't a reason for me to care how much is spent. I'm not trying to infiltrate your clique nor am I trying to govern anyone's idea.

Hopefully for $220,000 we get water slides, tunnels, and perhaps a paw wash station, complete with ice cream dispenser.

While I'm being hopeful.. I'm hoping that it's going to be built with supplies from ACE hardware and other smaller shops around town and not home depot, and that they contract local craftsmen to complete the project.  Go Wareham or go home !

/rant



Posted by: sadie | Jun 22, 2017 18:44

wow wow wow phredzzz

Are you saying that someone who volunteers their time for a cause any cause, other than children, are putting that cause ahead of children's needs? I don't understand your statement"I however DO-NOT, and WILL NEVER, support a Cause where Animals are placed ahead of Homeless CHILDREN" The dog park isn't putting itself ahead of homeless children. Are the volunteer groups like don't trash wareham or the onset bay association who brings the fireworks to town, or the fund raising group for the lopes playground putting their efforts ahead of homeless children? Are you against all the volunteer groups in town who don't put homeless children first?

As I said if you are that concerned form your own group for the children. If you stop trashing other volunteer groups they might help you in your effort.

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 22, 2017 19:38

Sadie: The answer to your question is a simple NO!

Its just beyond my imagination how anyone can put a Dog-Park higher on the Towns List than the task of taking care of Innocent Children who go to bed without a meal. What's so difficult to understand? If you are supporting this crazy waste of human effort and money, then you will never understand why individuals like myself are disenchanted by your actions.



Posted by: WantToSeeChange | Jun 22, 2017 20:14

The "task of taking care of Innocent Children who go to bed without a meal" isn't on the "Towns List" because people like you have not put it on the "Towns List".  You care about it, you do something about it.  It is really that simple.  You are passionate about this.  Look into what can be done and see what funding sources are available.  Once you have done your homework on that, bring your idea to the town and see if it is supported.  No one is going to do it for you unless they have the same passion as you do.  Sitting here shaming a dog park because it isn't putting sandwiches in kids mouths is not going to do you any good.  Actions speak louder than words.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 23, 2017 06:14

These people don't work for the town and they are not on a town committee. This is a group of independent people who decided to get organized so they could find out how they could build a dog park. They have nothing to do with any "list" the town may have for town improvements.

Are you aware that there is a program in town that provides a FREE lunch for children and teens Mon thru Friday during the summer. Low income children get FREE lunch at school during the school  If you go to different churches during the week you can get a free meal almost every night. There are also food banks in town where people can get free groceries.

Were you aware of ANY of these programs, before you start complaining maybe you should find out what programs are already available to the needy in town.

You keep talking about homeless children. The only homeless children we have are the families that are being put up in the local motels in town. Did you mean homeless or low income?

Again if this is important to you DO SOMETHING. Start a group, start a facebook page, set up a go fund me page. What gives you the right to tell other people what they should be spending their money on or how they should volunteer their time.

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 07:52

Wantoseechange, Sadie, & anyone else who places Animals ahead of homeless Children. As I said before, if you have the opinion that animals come before homeless and innocent children,  then you will never understand my position on this issue. One more time for the record; its impossible for me to understand how any human can sit quietly on the sidelines and support the Silly waste of time, effort, and money on a special place for dogs to Play and Poop, while we have homeless Women, Children and Veterans in our community. If you can't get this point, then I feel extremely sorry for the lack of a humanitarian bone in your body.



Posted by: Peaches0409 | Jun 23, 2017 09:45

Phredzzz....you are warped. The two causes have nothing to do with one another. Get off your high horse and do something about the homeless problem. I'm guessing you are pretty active behind the keyboard and nowhere else! If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 10:47

PEACHES; One problem with your comment; you call me "warped" yet you know absolutely nothing about me or the activities where I participate. I would look for your face at the next Convention for Citizens Against Humanitarians but I am not a member so they wont let me in! When was the last time you paid the Electric Bill for a poor person or dropped off some food at a local Shelter? Your correct when you talk about people who talk big, but are really part of the problem! Some of them are Ranting about building a Special place for dogs to play and poop but could care less about helping a fellow human-in-need.



Posted by: Peaches0409 | Jun 23, 2017 11:05

Lol.....I can't even believe how silly you are. Don't you get it? You can care about both...it's not a difficult concept to grasp. I will not further respond to your nonsense.



Posted by: WantToSeeChange | Jun 23, 2017 11:39

Wow.  I'm done with this level of crazy.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 23, 2017 14:32

 I am for the CPA money that was approved for providing apartments for 6 homeless people but also think CPA money should be used to help the dog park. You can get a group and a plan to help the homeless and then go to the CPA and ask them for money for the homeless.

I don't know where you are getting your information from but we only have a handful of children that are homeless in town.How many children do you think are homeless and where are you getting your numbers from?

Were you aware of all the FREE meals and food that is given away in town. Have you thought about volunteering at any of the food banks?



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 16:28

Hi SADIE: If you read the article about the Ribbon-cutting ceremony which many of us attended on Monday, you will see that this one organization,(Father Bills & Mainspring Org and The Buzzards Bay Coalition) are doing some terrific work, but the point is, there is a lot more work to be done before a Doggie-Poop and Play-area becomes a TRUE priority. One of the individuals who is moving into the new housing on Pumpkin Town Road will now have a roof over his head. Up until now, he has been living in a tent. Also it was noted that the Wareham Inter-Faith group helped to aide Sixty-One people with Winter Shelter this past winter. This is just one group aiding the needy. How many more people could use our help? The answer is, All-Of-Them ! PEACHES and Claims to WANTTOSEECHANGE says we can do both(Doggie Poop-Parks & Housing for the Needy). I disagree because we are currently not getting the job done by trying to do both. PEACHES and WANTTO; I am sorry you are so blinded that you place animals above humans and cant even understand why the rest of us are so bewildered by your actions and words.



Posted by: jjjjjj | Jun 23, 2017 17:10

What a surprise - a group of citizens manages a request and planning for something that would be an improvement to the town.  And the group finds a source of potential funding that covers almost the full cost.

 

In response, some of the usual cast of characters feels compelled to criticize - even though they don't understand what they're talking about.  You'd think a source of non-town funding would satisfy some people, but whiners gotta whine.

 

Personally, I think a dog park would be a great addition to the town (translation = a positive thing for all of us). Dogs are excluded from so many other public spaces that it's helpful to have a place they're allowed.  Some of us pay for schools, playgrounds and other facilities we don't use - because they contribute to the overall civic good.  For me, dog parks go into that category. There are reasons why plenty of other towns have been adding them, too.

 

The Stanton Foundation can fund whatever projects it wants.  You can disagree, but that doesn't make them wrong - regardless of the cost.  Just like you get to choose whether you spend your money on cable TV, eating out, lottery tickets and/or cigarettes.  Some people might consider those a waste, others a harmless diversion or even a necessity.



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 23, 2017 17:31

Well said JJJJJJJJ, thank you. I especially like your comment "In response, some of the usual cast of characters feels compelled to criticize - even though they don't understand what they're talking about." That is the ding ding ding ding comment as far as I am concerned. Crazy Pants ding ding'd someone just because they 1/2 agree with him/her.

 

Phredzz what is wrong with you? You sound like a broken record with that comment about people putting dogs above children. You sound like the complete and total fool that you are. You seem to have the mind set that if you type it enough maybe YOU will even believe your ridiculous comment. Phred you have no position, well at least a position that makes sense. Just keep on typing that we all put animals above children and as I said, maybe you will even believe it.

 

Sadie,

PHREDZZZ will never get involved because that would mean he would actually have to do something rather than sit behind his computer spouting liberal ideals. We we support anything but feeding homeless children we put anything else ahead of children, unbelievable how one person can be that short sighted. I have many causes I'm passionate about, my mother passed away from ALS and I support that cause, my dog is an actual rescue, came to me at 4 yrs old and needed a home, not a designer dog that cost $1500 basically for a mutt, i support 4 different rescue groups with time and money and every dog that has been with us was a rescue, I am a Type 1 Diabetic, I support JDRF with everything I can. So Phred and Crazy Pants, tell me again how I don't support any organizations. This isn't a competition about who's  charity list is longer it has everything to do with ridiculous comments made by Phred and Crazy just being the super positive person he/she is everyday.

PHRED do you actually believe your comment that unless the dog park is called any animal park the people involved or take their dogs there are really racist and breaking the law? I never heard anything more ridiculous.

 

Phred if you are such a fan of Father Bills and these people living in town, why don't we move that building on Pumkintown Rd next to your place and see how you like it. I am so against putting more 40B or affordable housing or Homeless housing right around the block from my house because the selectmen in this town have already trashed my property value with the 40B complex on Main St and now this "Sober House", great. just what this quiet side of town needs, more people wandering the streets where the Wareham Police DON'T EVEN do routine patrols. Something is going to happen and people like you are the ones to blame.

 

You commented to Sadie and Wanttobe that they are the ones with the off views here, well I think it's you who is the only one with that view and you just keep typing that same line, over and over again. I really hope you actually get off your couch and get involved instead of being a complete ass on this forum.



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 18:03

SADIE: If I am not misunderstanding your Rant, You are now officially taking the position that you would rather see a Needy person living in a tent than have a home which is sponsored by Father Bill's. Oh by the way, I was there participating in helping to raise Funds and also the Ribbon-Cutting Ceremony. What useful thing were you doing on Monday? Maybe you were doing something useful like shoveling Doggie Poop!



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 18:05

Sorry SADIE, I Goofed. My Post was meant for WWAREHAM RESIDENT.



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 18:14

WWAREHAM RESIDENT: It always amazes me, how people with A ZERO Platform stance will resort to name-calling when they are losing the discussion. And yes, I will continue saying the same thing over and over and over and over until people start paying attention. The effort to help needy Children and others in our society is a just cause.



Posted by: Wareham By The Sea | Jun 23, 2017 21:36

Wow, if Wareham Week had a hall of fame for for longest craziest comment strings, this one would be in there.  Holy Cow...



Posted by: WantToSeeChange | Jun 23, 2017 23:15

Agreed, WBTS.  I would like to know where on here I said that dogs were more important than children?  Never said a thing but Phredzzz reads what Phredzzz wants to read.  I guess I can only think one way.  If I am for the park, I am against the children.  One thing is for sure, I know crazy when I see crazy.

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 23, 2017 23:35

WANTTO: Dont stoop to the name-calling game. You are a participant in this circus, so keep the names to yourself.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 24, 2017 05:43

Phredzzz I don't understand why you think if someone is for the dog park that they are against the poor children. Why can't the be for both things at the same time?

I think Wareham does a good job of supporting people in need. Children and teens are now fed free lunches all year, dinner is provided by the churches almost every night of the week. There are four or five food banks in town. Every winter the churches provide a place for a warm  place for the homeless to sleep at night. ( non of which are children) Every holiday money is raised to give food, people collect coats and outerwear for adults and children. There are two or three toy drives for the children for Christmas.

Wareham is not a rich community it is working class and working poor. I think the citizens of Wareham do a good job of helping the disenfranchised in town, a much better job than other towns around us.

 I support any group in town that time out of their life to make improvements in the town of Wareham.

 

 

 

 



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 24, 2017 08:09

PHREDZZZ,  what useful thing did I'd Monday, hmmm, I went to work, yes, I consider that useful since it affords me the opportunity to pay my bills, taxes included. A ribbon cutting ceremony isn't useful. It actually amazes me that someone who has not come to realize they are the only one with that view but still push and push thinking someone will agree with you. Well, you lost that one Phred.

 

So in today's updates there is an article about " A day of festivals in Onset, July 1st, ending with fireworks" from all your previous rants you must not want any of this to take place and every penny needs to go to starving children, right? In your view, the entire town is against starving children because they are having this day of festivals. You seriously have some kind of issues, that is blatantly obvious but to say I have a zero platform stance is just ignorant. Looks to me that most everyone posting is on the completely opposite side of your platform. Now that you've lost you attack anyone who calls you out for what you are. WBTS said it and I agree, crazy must run in your family because you are seriously delusional and I stand by my comment that you are coming across like a complete ass. Call it what you want but the truth hurts. Oh right, you actually have no idea what truth looks like you live in your own warped sense of reality.

 

Give it a break Phred nobody agrees with you and you've managed to attack just about everyone is this string. To me, that's certainly crazy.

 

Now I'm just waiting for you to call me a racist, that is the next step in the liberal handbook so you might as well stick to it. Hey, maybe you should reach out to Soros and get him to bus in "protestors" to loot and trash the town since everything isn't going to starving children.

 

This is never going to end because people likje Phred MUST have the last word so they can go on believing that changed everyone's mind.

 

You're up Phred, what do you got now????

 



Posted by: sadie | Jun 24, 2017 13:20

Wow Wareham week has an article on the church of the good shepard looking for volunteers  "Bernier said residents are invited to participate in a 30 minute interview with someone from the church. Based on the answers, parishioners will find a specific project they can plan and implement, in partnership with other community organizations"

What a perfect place for Phredezzz he or she could organize a group and they each could take up a cause for the church to help the needy in town. Sounds like a perfect match.



Posted by: Andrea Smith | Jun 24, 2017 15:45

Sadie - What a lovely thought, and so sweetly said. I hope everyone reads the article you mentioned (see link below) and considers volunteering 30 minutes of their time to complete the survey which Church of the Good Shepherd's is conducting in behalf of Wareham.

 

https://wareham-ma.villagesoup.com/p/church-seeks-publics-input-on-making-wareham-stronger-healthier/1664001

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 25, 2017 16:38

ANDREA : I was done, but your remark about SADIE  being so "SWEET" with ber idea that I should volunteer at the Church of the Good Shepherd is totally out-of-line and NOT sweet in any way. I already volunteer at my own church, thank you very much! Those who try to pass judgement are ussually the ones who need the most time in a godly environment. Give it a try, you might like it.

 



Posted by: sadie | Jun 25, 2017 17:42

Geez Phredzzz did you read the article

"From sheltering the homeless to feeding the hungry, the Church of the Good Shepherd already offers many programs for those less fortunate. However, there’s more work to be done according to Rev. Dan Bernier" You said you wanted more programs focusing on the homeless and hungry in town.

Even if you didn't want to work with them I'm sure if  you talked to them you might be able to take some ideas back to your church.

I don't understand how me mentioning a new program at a local church is out of line and passing judgement.

Thanks for calling me sweet. Every once in awhile I do get lovely thoughts. Andrea I appreciate all the research you do for everyone on this site so people can get as much information as possible.



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 26, 2017 00:32

SADIE: As I said if you were paying attention. I already volunteer at my own church. If you have the time to do-so, you should give it a try rather than telling other's where they should choose to worship and volunteer. Thank you for your wealth of knowledge.  For those of us out here in ignorance-land,  we definitely need people like you to give us guidance. I do have the benefit of once  living in a place where Animal's are worshiped and placed on a pedestal of worship in India. if you are of that faith and believe like I think you do, that animals shold be given preferential treatment, maybe you should visit there sometime.  You could learn so much and then you could come back here with some Scholarly information to disseminate amongst your followers. If India is not to your liking, maybe you should visit some of the other nations of the Asia-Pacific rim. Many of them love Dogs.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 26, 2017 08:43

Wow, I didn't realize you were only able to volunteer at one church. Since this group specializes in help children and the homeless I thought you might be interested in what information they had to share.. But if you can take 30 minutes out of your day to listen to their suggestion on setting up programs to help people in need, that's fine it's your choice.

Point of information I NEVER told you to that you should worship or volunteer at the Church

"Based on the answers, parishioners (the church)will find a specific project they ( meaning the person who was interviewed) can plan and implement, in partnership with other community organizations"

 They are not asking you to join the church they are giving you information and contacts. Maybe someone from your church will take time out to go and bring back a program that would help the children and homeless in town.

 

 



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 26, 2017 12:15

SADIE: As I said before and I did NOT divulge how many hours, minutes, or days a week that I contribute to charitable causes. I do not think it is any of your business, but for your info and just to put an end to you judging myself, I have a Charity for my Granddaughter who was born with Usher Syndrome Type 1-B. Myself and others have invested thousands of hours for fund-raisers for The Foundation Fighting Blindness. If you would like to participate, we welcome everyone who is interested, even if its just to raise awareness about debilitating and currently non-curable Degenerative Eye Diseases. And yes, it is possible for some people to volunteer at more than one Church. I however, CHOOSE to devote my time and efforts and support to my own religion-of-choice.



Posted by: sadie | Jun 26, 2017 14:26

No-where, did I say or did the article from the Good Shepard Church say, that the person had to volunteer at the Good Shepard Church or join their church. They are simply giving out information and contacts to people who want to help the needy in town.

I am done with this conversation. Your interpretation of what people post is a little off , it's like being in the twilight zone. I thought you wanted more groups to help hungry children and the homeless I guess I was wrong.



Posted by: WWareham resident | Jun 26, 2017 18:10

Omg he just can't help himself. He needs to have the last word, let him have it and hopefully it's the last we hear from PHREDZZZ



Posted by: Phredzzz | Jun 26, 2017 20:14

Thanks!



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